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Bartlein barrels vs krieger barrels forum 223 or better. To recap, the Krieger shot the best 50yd results of the barrels tested so far, just barely beating the Bartlein but it was so close you can call the 50yd results equal (. Big thank you to these companies for supporting the Snipers Hide community! Jun 16, 2016 · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. I have and will continue to use both. I use mostly Krieger or Bartlein barrels myself since I’m kinda stuck on cut rifled barrels. Getting ready for new build and was wondering how`s the current Krieger`s been doing? I`m not waiting 9 months for Bartlein or 6 months for Brux. The Match barrel has done great with the 75 hpbt, typically . The %r is Dec 25, 2023 · Save money when chambering multiple barrels at a time. 24 inch Lilja on top and my present 20 inch CLE/Bartlein on the bottom. So does Bartlein. Both very excellent barrels and accuracy. I’m in the market for a Gucci SPR and can’t decide which route to go. Forums. Strickland Sergeant. Terry Cross uses Krieger. These items are updated on a regular basis but are not guaranteed to be available. I am looking for 1/2 m. Your comments May 13, 2024 · I'm on the waitlist for an M25RL build from LRB. Jun 16, 2016 · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. For those of you who have JC Custom barrels, how do they compare against the big boys Benchmark, Krieger, Bartlein etc? Now that you've used your JC barrel for a while, would you buy another one? If not, why not? Thanks Jul 26, 2016 · Do you guys do any 17 cal barrels? We will be offering . 5MOA ALL DAY" challenge this forum had awhile back. Good ammo is more important than which badge on the barrel. By cut-rifling them, they take one groove at a time. yes,i know bartlein,krieger and lilja are superior. Higher end barrels are then airgauged to check for tight and loose Dec 5, 2015 · Forums. I have been thinking of Hart, Schneider, Bartlein, or Krieger. I like Krieger, but have moved to Bartlein. T. 5x47 barrel. Probably 1 in 8 or 1 in 9 twist. Now i'm sure i'm gonna get the usual responses of leave it to a qualified gunsmith, so Krieger Barrels manufactures custom, single-point cut-rifled barrels for bolt action, AR-15, AR-10, M1 Garand, M14, M1903 along with a variety of services. 7 twist and it's the most accurate barrel I have ever had in any rifle. I just shot mine this past weekend and it performed better than any barrel I have ever used. The biggest reason they dominate in BR competition is that so many Feb 11, 2024 · Bartlein, Hawk Hill, White Oak Armament, X-Caliber and Ballistic Advantage. Every Krieger AR-15 barrel that I’ve owned has produced 10-shot groups with extreme spreads of less than ¾ MOA. These pre-chambered barrels for Tikka T3 actions will be headspaced Jun 17, 2020 · 2 of them have stated that it's much easier to cut a chamber without "chatter" vs a 5R barrel which in turn provides better accuracy in the end.  · Typically guys start with a factory gun, once the barrel is shot out, they usually replace it with a different barrel that is not the same factory barrel (bartlein, krieger , etc). I don't have a good scale, but I think it's listed at 2. Oct 5, 2012 · Re: Krieger vs Bartlein I would have the manufacturer flute the barrel. Mag. 219 1-8 twist in 3B anywhere, but I did find a Krieger #4 in 1-8 with a . 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Latest reviews Search resources. 224" cal SS 24" 5-groove 1-14 was great ! This Forum's expenses are primarily paid by the generous contributions of Apr 18, 2024 · Bartlein's lightest carbon contour (#4) is basically the same weight as a #3 bartlein steel. 005). bartleinbarrels. 7 to 8 weeks later still no barrel so we told them to cancel it and refund the money. Call (262) 628 - 8558. They all have their preferred loads, but the Proof, JP and Satern cut barrels are the easiest to load for, with . View Quote. 1s at 100 yds with several different bullets from 55gr to 77gr. 17 and . Look at the Bartlein #4 bull Sporter: Mar 4, 2023 · thinking about putting an AR15 together as an "accuracy" piece,say maybe to 600 yd max. Feb 26, 2020 · I’ve owned 16”, 20” and 24” Krieger AR-15 barrels. Blanks have been donated for the review by Bartlein, Benchmark, Keystone Accuracy (Green Mountain), Krieger and Lilja. 5mm is a Kreigerbut I honestly do not know. 90 and threaded 5/8-24, Deadair brake suppressor mount Oct 20, 2006 · Hello Everyone, I am new to this forum and would like your input on the Bartlein Barrels. Aug 23, 2018 · I have 223 Rem. Javascript is required. 7” twists. We have a block of barrels being run currently and will order a few . Haven't had a chance to try it out yet. It died at the Oct 22, 2017 · Trying to decide on which barrel to use on a 6. They were also very nice when i ordered a barrel and delivery was under ETA. results of this test will be much more pertinent to the masses as its how most everyone willbe shooting one of these barrels. I've got a Krieger 223 6. I'm trying to get maximum accuracy out of this build and I'm trying to decide between a heavy contour 1:10" Krieger or Criterion barrel. Very happy with them. I hadn't really intended to make an extended bitch slap out of it, but you asked. The Ballistic Advantage barrel that I'm really happy with is a 6. Feb 2, 2024 · Ted Brown knows more, but I think the military armors had a special barrel wrench or barrel vice and the “flat” was used as a torque surface. I'm thinking about fluting it, is there anything that needs to be done after fluting? I'm planning to flute it myself on my mill. Mar 10, 2013 · Not to take away from what the finest barrels from Douglas, Krieger and the like can do in properly setup and run once installed, but its tough to beat what CLE can do with a high-end Bartlein blank for only ~$500!! May 14, 2016 · I was considering criterion because I was up all night last night reading the aftermarket barrels forum. Apr 19, 2021 · For years Hart and Krieger were my "go to" barrels of choice I've used and have a few others that have been very good but Hart and Krieger were my go to barrels. Long Range Hunting . Just ask Nov 4, 2017 · Krieger uses one of the hardest stainless steels on the market. If you source through a gunsmith then there are a handful of other manufacturers that are in the same league as Krieger worth considering, for example Bartlein. You can trust Krieger's close second, and their customer service, before, and after the sale. Thread starter WKR; Start date Sep 1, 2023; WKR WKR. Go. I however am very curious and I always like to experiment and learn more. From 20 caliber to Four Bore, Krieger Barrels offers a wide variety of popular and rare calibers in bolt action, AR-15, AR-10, M1 Garand, M1A/M14 and M1903. Of the top four F-Open shooters at the Nationals this year, at least two shot Brux barrels. Jan 2, 2013 · My Brux barrels shoot just as well as Krieger or Bartlein. 250 contour with muzzle end cut down to . was founded in 1999 as a division of Krieger Barrels, Inc. Krieger and I'm sure Bartlein will make barrels with more grooves. The button rifled barrels will be where you see more or less grooves offered. 5 Creedmore? A . Bartlein, from everything I've heard/read sounded like they made extremely good barrels as well and I was reading more and more posts from Frank Green W/Bartlein barrel company and he Jun 8, 2013 · Cut barrels, on the other hand, by the nature of the process by which they are made, do not have a wandering twist rate issue , and Krieger will tell you that they only lap for finish, not dimension, so the issues that were/are important for buttoned barrels, are not as likely to cause problems for cut barrels. Krieger, Hart, Shillen, proof, benchmark, Brux Feb 17, 2025 · Shooter65, you are exactly right. 22-250, . 236 bore 6mm’s and Bartlein’s standard is . 308 Win finished chamber Rifle-length gas system Krieger selected stainless  · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. That should give you your answer. Apr 17, 2020 · Big thanks to Keystone Accuracy for doing the barrel work for this review and turning everything around quickly. They sure like their guns. 22 Cal: 0. Nov 27, 2024 · Forum; Bulletin; Articles; Cartridge Guides; Videos; Classifieds; (Bartlein Barrels), John Krieger (Krieger Barrels), Dan Lilja (Lilja Barrels . Lilja's are button-rifled barrels vs the cut-rifled Krieger & Bartlein if that matters to you. Bartlein/Kriegers. I want a 26” inch rem varmint/ sendero contour. Still most of the muzzlebrakes and silencers are threaded for 5/8, i think i will have to ask all these details to the barrel manufacturer. 22 (vtex 4-12, bush 3-9) ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g. So if I'm reading you right you're saying bartlein and krieger are on par with each other so far and the shilen were great but required more cleaning vs the other 2. Winds were pretty consistent [at] 3-5 mph. If you want the finished/assembled product then source through a reputable gunsmith. Go figure!!!! 6. (Really good) View Quote. Chad I was wondering if/how you located your gas port hole? Jan 17, 2023 · For about 10 years now I've shot nothing but Bartlein or Krieger, mostly 4 groove Bartlein and have only had two barrels that had to go back one from CLE and one from Craddock. 221FB and it wasn't the funnest thing but it wasn't impossible. Details on smith, chamber, ammo, and/or shooter comparing the guns with the Muller vs. All had complete melonite San Tan Oct 2, 2020 · Any of you serious benchresters please chime in. That said, I've owned some fantastic shooting Bartlein 5R barrels and I would buy more Bartlein if my vendors had more choices in 4-groove. I have shot groups in the . Oct 1, 2020 · Both barrels are as close as possible to the same twist, Bartlein sent me a 1:11. Aug 8, 2006 · Reaming a barrel leaves circular tool marks in the barrel. Opinions on barrel manufacturers Benchmark barrels have been very good for me as well has hawk hill barrels. Here's a couple of pics just because. Nov 14, 2014 · The contours shown are for Bartlein barrels. Four hours later they called back and somehow found a Per the Bartlein Barrels website: I’ll quote what Pope (Pope was one of the greatest barrel makers from a bygone era. 00 taper to . 3moa 5 shot groups with the 73eld-m bullets (Thanks Padom). The Shilens have a very soft stainless that is easier to bore for as true of a hole as possible, but will wear much faster once you start putting on thousands of  · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Last barrel I bought was a custom 223 Bartlein barrel and had it set to Compass Lake. Some other recent makers are not even close but there might be some others I never heard of. But once I can get it built we'll see how things go. My first Hart . 224 cal it's that much better than the competition. 308 Winchester, as long as you don't push the pressures too high and erode your throat. Jul 13, 2013 · Seems like a Bartlein 2B or even #3 is pretty close in weight to a Proof Sendero. Jun 14, 2016 · barrels on there own, aren't accurate. Full Member. Proof Sendero light vs # 3 Bartlein is maybe 5 oz lighter? Mar 23, 2013 · Krieger match grade barrels are "cut" rifling as opposed to Douglas being "button" rifled. The Brux cut rifle barrels are simply the smoothest I have ever seen, and they make a sheet show of some of the other top-name cut rifle brands. I know Krieger offers 6 groove barrels, but you'll pay more for a 6 groove barrel than for a 4 groove. I've had really good results with these, even though it seems Ballistic Advantage isn't a high success rate barrel like Bartlein, etc. The prefit is obviously much cheaper, but is it less accurate? Aug 23, 2009 · I am sure Paul Craddock is as well, but put many months in your timeline, or buy a Criterion or Lilja barrel that is pre fitted for what you want. If you haven't shot a hawk hill yet, you ought to give it a try. In-Stock Inventory Barrels Now In-Stock. 223 - VX 3 CZ455 . Calibers and Pricing From 20 Cals to 4 Bore and High Power Service Rifle, AR-10 and AR-15. There may be other minor variances Dec 8, 2014 · Look at any major benchrest discipline and a Krieger barrel will show up at least 10x more often then a Walther barrel. While I don’t own a Krieger, I’ve seen a bunch that performed exceptionally well. Bartlein is the way to go. including my last Krieger heavy SS barrel. Barrel upgrade for Howa. Dec 15, 2024 · Choosing the right barrel for your precision rifle is a critical decision. Saturday, Oct 5th, '24 - Sunday, Oct 6th, '24 Saturday Oct 5th, '24. S. 5% off machining on both, 3 barrels save 25% off machining on all barrels. 357Mag. . If a fluted barrel is desired, then a cut barrel makes more sense as well due to the possibility of the button barrel opening up dimensionally. Have several Bartlein but never tried a Brux. I have one chambered HH barrel right now and it shoots very well. So I’d probably go 3b so I could easily get my desired muzzle diameter at 20”+. 56 barrels as well as the CLE Bartlein/Krieger barrels. Bartlein Barrels: Bartlein is known for its button rifling process, a highly precise method that creates exceptionally smooth bore surfaces. Oct 22, 2021 · As far as barrel differences go, I know a guy who shoots great with a Preferred Barrel Blanks barrel, and regularly outshoots guys using Bartlein, Hawk Hill, Krieger, etc. 5 addiction build. I've seen $6,000 F Class guns shoot average scores with one barrel, and next week with a new barrel win matches. 5 twist that shoots lights out, and a friend of mine has sent two back to Krieger that wouldn't shoot at all. 56 Match chambers. John also showed me his first years in business tax paperwork. I’d love to hear everyone’s experiences with the LMT 16” stainless 5. Krieger 5R barrels Id go with a Bartlein or Ordermeyer over a Kreiger based on my experienve with all three of them. . 218 Jul 3, 2011 · Search titles only By: Search Advanced search Oct 18, 2024 · July 15th, 2024 Criterion Pre-Fit Barrel Option for Tikka T-3 Rifles. Thread starter Brian564; Start date May 9, 2015; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum – Expert Gear Reviews & Tactical Tips Become a supporting member. I did a fair amount of shooting with it before replacing it with a 22" Krieger #4 sporter; only reason I replaced it was because the rifle balanced so far to the rear Nov 9, 2024 · Krieger cut rifled barrels. Jun 19, 2009 · Forums. Bolt action rifles, lever action, pump action, self loading rifles and other miscellaneous longarms. No content shall be viewed by any person under 18 in California. Now i just have to decide between Krieger and Bartlein. @Frank Green can speak more on this, but Bartlein builds tons of ammunition test barrels that are shot out of a test fixture with excellent accuracy results from my conversations with Frank. They were both 20" varmint . May 21, 2015 · Dan Lilja makes great barrels but it's hard to beat what Frank White can do with a Krieger or Barty blank. Nov 20, 2008 · Both are great. We have always liked Tikka actions, and now there is a great re-barreling option for Tikka T3 owners. Need help for a new custom barrel for hunting: contours, rifling, materials, blank vs prefit, etc KrIeger or Bartlein are amazing barrels. Bought as a blank from Bugholes Precision, and all work done by Bugholes. Rimfire blanks on left, centerfire on right. DEVELOPMENT WEEKEND [4 Bartlein vs Krieger 7mm. You can see the land and groove measurement differences between centerfire and rimfire Oct 13, 2008 · Re: Which would you prefer Bartlein or Lilja barrels? I have a Lilja chrome-moly barrel in my Robar RC-50, and it shoots fine. 22cm, etc. May 2, 2018 · Rainier Match or Ultramatch- I’ve got 2 of the UM’s and they can produce sub . J. Same contour, Apr 5, 2009 · Pac Nor or Bartlein barrels Jump to Latest 3. www. a. Hawk Hill Custom - Hawk Hill Custom These barrels win matches. bartlein and krieger barrels are some of the best barrels that you Jul 3, 2015 · I have used Krieger, Broughton, Shilen, Hart and Brux over the years and they all make excellent barrels. Dec 27, 2021 · I have purchased Krieger barrels that were okay, around 1 moa, nothing to write home about. Bartlein Barrels has my buisness from now on. I've chambered a LW in . 9% of the time. I have a Krieger, a Colt, two Criterion, and two Anderson nitrided barrels on standby. Feb 7, 2011 · Re: difference between bartlein and ER shaw Generally speaking, Bartlein barrels are considered top tier barrels and ER Shaw are high mid grade. I am considering buying a custom barrel for my Remington 700 LS in 7mm Rem. I've had good luck with Broughtons, I know a couple of people that have had bad luck with them. Also it will be used for long range big game hunting. 7-twist barrel free of charge. Chromoly barrels have much better life to them than stainless in general, but are harder to bore a straight hole through. Reactions: Kilo 3/5, FedPaper46, Krieger barrels Jul 29, 2009 · You'll find that the majority of cut rifled barrels such as Krieger and Bartlein are 4 groove barrels. I can't say anything bad about the Douglas. Both Craddock and Compass Lake use top of the line blanks: Krieger, Bartlein, Douglas, Criterion (for the most part).  · Shooting forum Centerfire rifles. I. The Bartlein's I have used over the past ten years have been as good as or better than the other brands. 62 gas guns, we use Bartlein and Criterion blanks. 20 (12 twist) in the future. Also, some shops selling barrels AND pre-fits only handle Tier 1 barrels , "bugholes"being one. Both are renowned for producing high-quality, match-grade barrels, but they differ in their manufacturing processes and resulting characteristics. Grizzly touts that it's President competes in target Jun 16, 2016 · Mark has something to brag about and deservedly so. If the choice was mine I would hands down go with Bartlein Nov 1, 2024 · In this article, Chip shares the knowledge of a dozen experts including respected barrel-makers Frank Green (Bartlein Barrels), John Krieger (Krieger Barrels), Dan Lilja (Lilja Barrels), and Tim North (Broughton Barrels). LVMED Sergeant. As far as I have seen Lothar and a Pac-Nor make extremely good polygonal setups including for the AR. Oct 13, 2023 · Have 7 Grendels that stay in a pretty constant rotation, with 2 Satern cut rifled barrels-20/24”, 2 Wilson’s-20/22”, an 18” JP, a 20” Proof CF and a converted Bartlein from a 6. 25. 5 MOA range. Whether you are re-barreling your service rifle, AR, benchrest, F-class or hunting rifle, Krieger Barrels gives you  · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Firearms . Aug 21, 2012 · AR spacegun or varmint rig, get the Krieger barrel. A . Can I expect the same Jun 6, 2019 · I normally use Krieger barrels but have a couple of Lilja barrels. in response to demands of rifle builders and firearms manufacturers for quality match grade barrels at a lower cost. ” Test Results at 100 Yards Padom then tested ammo at 100 yards, again Feb 27, 2012 · Krieger's and Bartlein use a much harder stainless that is more difficult to machine, but lasts very long for barrel life. Joined Aug 6, 2014 Messages 1,651 Location 78154. 223 barrels. $400tyd #2 Bartlein Chromoly 30 cal, 5R, 9-twist, win feather lite contour, 25" blank. com. It's a 16" 1:7 twist, cut rifled 5R stainless steel mid-length. 56 barrels a few weeks back and it was definitely sub-moa. I did notice the cylinder section at the breech of the Palma Contours varied some for the Krieger barrels (Krieger’s was 1/2″ shorter than what is shown here). paper. I own several and all are outstanding accurate and easy to clean barrels. Excellent results with all. Dec 29, 2013 Jul 20, 2024 · Any reason to choose one over the other for a build ? I mean two identically speced barrels ? Same rifleing, twist rate, etc. They arent shooting a chassis/stocked rifle, BR rig, etc for  · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Tags barrels criterion heavy barrels krieger Now that I think about it might have shot that rifle with that barrel for the "1. May 31, 2013 · Exactly. Reply. This may well be because the Krieger is on a Apr 12, 2018 · Are you seeing Bartlein/Krieger levels of accuracy from Proof? Given the cost of a custom build and the ADDED cost of a Proof, I am just curious how these barrels compare to the best of the all-steel cut-rifled lot. First year was 1982 if I remember correctly. results like these are hard to argue with. Bartlein Barrels, with out a doubt the best barrel I have ever shot. Aug 20, 2012 #3 65BR - Howdy ! There's an embarassement of riches, as regards barrel choices for today's shooters. 224 Valkyrie: AR15 VARMATCH: Rifle Length. Jul 2, 2013 · I have several Bartlein 5R barrels and don't think they clean easier than a Krieger or Brux four groove. Also look at Bartlein. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Many US manufacturers are regarded at least as high as LW or for example Krieger, Lilja or Bartlein usualy higher than LW Nov 19, 2011 · George Gardner likes Bartlein barrels. Not trying to poke at Benchmark, Hart, Shilen etc What we have found along with a host of 5 days ago · I just received a Bartlein barrel from Craddock Precision. Sep 27, 2018 · Criterion Barrels, Inc. 236. 900 Barrel On Bartlein's website, they show the #9 heavy varmint contour only with a 28 inch length. (CBI), makers of “pre-fit” barrels for Savage, Remington, and Rem-clone actions, also produces Tikka pre-fits. Our company is now completely independent from Krieger Barrels, featuring a separate facility, personnel, and ownership. just country Well-Known Member. 3 new world records set. Bartlein and Krieger were a pretty even split. At least as an experimental barrel. 308 cal all 3 of the ones mentioned are a good products. 6 posts • Page 1 of 1. 223. May 2, 2024 · Padom then tested ammo at 100 yards, again using his Krieger rimfire barrel: “To recap, the Krieger shot the best 50-yard results of the barrels tested so far, just barely beating the Bartlein but it was so close you can call Mar 9, 2018 · New posts Trending Search forums Leaderboards Media New media New comments Search media. These barrels then require very minimal brushing thereafter -- three to six one-way strokes typically. It's got the rare quick twists in several calibers, listed, as being on hand. If you have a barrel maker that understands the limitations for each process, and has a method for mitigating the impact of those limitations on the barrel quality, then their products should be just fine. That would be great if I had not heard specifically from Bartlein that in testing at ELR the bullets shot from the 4 groove vs the 5R exhibit "hop" when hitting transonic". I have found some button barrels in stock but I don`t want button  · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Bartlein Barrels . 2 went on Mauser actions, heavy barrel varmint calibres But more surprising is the Bartlein Barrels that they "claim" to have in stock. Higher end barrels are now lapped to remove the tool marks. Looking for 20-21” finish. Hide Events for today . I know the ammo is capable of that in an ideal situation, but 4 MOA from it is a bit of a head scratcher when others with the same rifle (SAI Loaded's and National Matches) are shooting it in the 2-2. 350 MTU 31" $350 SOLD #11- Rock 7mm 9tw SS 5R SS MTU 30" (this is an early 2000s barrel) $350 Apr 20, 2023 · I have barrels by Brux, Krieger, Pac-Nor, Bartlein, and Shilen. is much more than I need for 200 yd. Krieger vs Bartlein. 300 x . Everything else is balls to the wall from ammo makers. This did not ship with 1 as he had ran out. 223, 5R, 8-twist, Medium Palma contour, 21"blank with skip fluting. They are best known for CF barrels, but venture into RF barrels too. Some specific questions I have are: LMT 16” stainless barrel accuracy Jun 6, 2019 · Bartlein barrels are top notch barrels. Minuteman. #1 Krieger Chromoly 30 cal, 5R, 9-twist, #2 sporter, 27" blank. Dec 31, 2011 · 4 vs 5R Bartlein. Oct 9, 2018 · The barrel likes Hornady 223 75 gr OTM, BH 556 77 gr OTM/SMK and BH 556 77 gr TMK. Aug 15, 2010 · Getting a Krieger barrel for the rifle i'm building. The ones I saw were at least 1. Getting back to the OP's original question about the choice between LaRue Tactical vs. Absolutely incredible barrels and Canadian Jan 10, 2020 · If you look at most equipment lists of the top scoring competitors at most national level competitions, probably 50-75% are using Bartlein barrels. Mar 27, 2023 · Krieger sells barrels in various states of finish direct to the public via their website. 223 REM, . Jan 16, 2014 · Never did anything with gun barrels. 20 shank and the bartlein 1. No particular reason other than I hear raves about Bartlein and they are doing well in shortrange benchrest. 25 and Krieger sent me a 1:11. Bugholes as 30 cal Bartlein blanks in stock so the lead time shouldn't be a factor. only had one Bartlein and it was ok. New posts Trending Search forums Leaderboards Media New media New comments After having 3 bartlein barrels i switched over to a brux and haven't looked back . Are they a better Home. With a good load, you can't tell whether the Colt or the Krieger made the holes in the 10 ring. Message. Plus, they are great to deal with. I have not hand loaded for this barrel, so its very possible tighter groupings are possible with a good load load worked up for it. Apr 14, 2020 · Have owned a few Rainier Arms Ultramatch barrels, a Lilja, factory direct Krieger, a Craddock turned Bartlein, several BCM hammer forged and SS barrels and currently own a Craddock Bartlein and a WOA SPR barrel. You can tell them how you want the flutes starting so far from the breech and stopping so far from the muzzle. I’ve been told of several Brux barrels that were even tighter than . Oct 1, 2003 378 2 54 Mansfield, Texas. I'm planning to buy a pre-fit from Southern Precision Rifles in 6mm Creedmoor. Select one or two if it was up to you. 4. Mar 9, 2012 · I don't think that any of the new 'cheap' polygonal barrel makers have a good product. Dec 13, 2024 · While both Bartlein and Krieger utilize high-quality materials and meticulous manufacturing processes, there are key differences. I’m hoping to achieve sub MOA accuracy and to have the rifle be reliable. I don't know what barrel David Bailey was shooting but I Oct 18, 2009 · Anyone have experience or advise on Krieger(not the Criterion brand)? I am looking to build a 223 AI on a Remington action. A forum community dedicated to M14 and M1A Rifle owners and  · Bartlein vs Krieger 7mm #1 Post by bshrestha01 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:57 am So I ordered a 30" 5R 1:9 Krieger barrel from 7mm. 1 pounds. I’m leaning towards a “MK12” from Type A or a 18 inch rifle from ADM but Mar 5, 2011 · Hart barrels rock, my last 2 Harts were stunningly repeatable. Any thoughts are much appreciated! May 9, 2015 · Lothar Walther vs Krieger barrels. All with Bartlein Barrels Dec 15, 2020 · I have a custom 7mm WSM that I will be installing a new barrel on. 6. The 2015 Super Shoot equipment list for the top 20 shooters shows one Shilen barrel. 224 barrel blank is for centerfire .  · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Krieger, with the lower taper of their barrels, seem to give more margin for muzzle threading. As a forum 20 hours ago · It’s a bartlien and it shoots better than I can. Feb 25, 2009 there is only one custom barrel - Krieger. Straightest barrel ever - YouTube  · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Oct 6, 2007 809 2 LA. prob 1/8 or 1/7 wylde. 22 calibers like . This Forum is for adults 18 years of age or over. I see most builds that Home. I have purchased WOA $225 service rifle barrels that stacked ten rounds just over a half inch at 100 yards. Then, 500 rds later the 'golden age' of that barrel wears out and they are back to coming 4th or 5th. 308 5R x 30" Finished, . They do this all in-house. 308 Bore/Groove x 1-10 Twist - 1. Feb 26, 2011 · I would imagine Krieger has to be there especially because of their size relative to many of the other premium barrel makers, but that does not mean other barrel makers cannot equal or better their barrel performance. Joined Jun 14, 2019. Aug 23, 2009 · Equal straightness, equal finish, equal bore tolerances. I know of a few barrel manufactures who have stepped their game up in the last couple years and seem to be producing better results. Between Douglas and Bartlein my first choice is Oct 3, 2020 · This test is to see if there is any measurable, noticeable difference between a 308win Bartlein 5R or Krieger 4 Groove for the average shooter, shooting the way 99% of the people on THIS forum shoot. 4-. Can I expect the same accuracy with Krieger 4 groove barrels that I would with bartlien? I’m wondering if the Bartlein is worth the 6-9 month wait over a in stock Krieger. Ready to order another in 30/9T for a 300 NM improved or 300 PRC build. I currently have seven Brux barrels with two more on order. Resources. For our work on 7. 5-twist 223 spacegun barrel that blew up bullets), and they replaced it with a ready-to-install,chambered, contoured, gas port drilled, barrel extension installed) 7. I have looked at the LMT stainless barrels, but have read mixed reviews. , but frankly have never seen any real difference between the two with several thousand rounds through both of them. Get a KS arms then if you in Canada. Criterion Barrels Inc. Nov 15, 2019 · I got a Krieger barrel and a Bartlein barrel from Compass Lake last summer and built two AR uppers. 56/223 ammo. Mar 19, 2013 · Seems most other barrel mfgs are in short supply and Bartlein are everywhere. 5-300wm. ) Greater stiffness, lighter weight, faster cooling. Given how #3s shoot sustained, in my experience they make for great precision/hunters. Eric Leonard. Since most quality off the shelf barrels are running between $375-$450 the Proof Research SS barrels are my "easy button" barrel of choice. 875 Gas Block 5/8x24 Threaded Muzzle . Aug 16, 2004 2,561 1 Had an over the course gun (service rifle) in 223 with a CM douglas 1-8. For example, Krieger offers both . Upgrade.  · OzFclass Home Forums Public Forums Equipment & Technical; Upcoming Events. Oct 21, 2013 · The Krieger and Bartlein shot about the same with the Krieger edging out the Bartlein on that day with that ammo slightly at 100yd The Benchmark and the Green Mountain shot about the same. They all out shot me . No content shall be viewed by any May 26, 2016 · This Forum is for adults 18 years of age or over. Edit: Already addressed. I use 7/270 WSM's and 7 Shehane's. Jun 27, 2020 · Padom noted: “Winds were much calmer tonight than this morning so the 100-yard Krieger test was a success. Going with a known top-level barrel maker, like Krieger or Bartlein, makes more sense in this scenario. Chambered one in 308,shot terrible,sent it back for evaluation and after 2 months they called and said it was a bad barrel and they would replace it with a select match barrel when they got one. Jan 25, 2013 · Seems like some Krieger barrels I`ve got in the past shoot great and some doesn`t. 236 and . May 28, 2013 · If I'm in the mood for a single point cut barrel Krieger has been my "go to" and if a button rifled barrel or I want one really fast Hart is my default but having had multiple conversations with Frank Green of Bartlein barrels and him taking the time to answer with depth any and all questions I come up with, my next barrel will be a Bartlein barrel and it likely will be Oct 28, 2023 · Forums. Sep 1, 2023 #1 I dont own any cut rifled barrels and am thinking I want to try one on my next rifle build. If I felt the need for that level of accuracy potential in a 10/22, I wouldn't hesitate Oct 21, 2013 · If I go with the CLE option, the barrel will be put into a LaRue Stealth MLOK upper/handguard set with JP FMOS, Seekins Lower with Vltor A5. May 28, 2022 · Bartlein, Brux, Rock Creek, Mullerworks, and Kreiger are my choices in steel barrels. Because they have more slope to the land sides, carbon is said to accumulate there less. Apr 24, 2020 · I have been considering a carbon fiber barrel and am wondering if they will have reduced barrel whip compared to a similar weight steel contour (say a Bartlein #1 contour vs the carbon fiber barrel). His barrels along with Schalk who he learned from and gives credit to and Schoyen, and Zischang made barrels for the Schutzenfest type of guns/shooting in the late 1800’s to early 1900’s) said around a 100 years ago first. Brux typically makes . I’ve owned Krieger AR-15 barrels with 1:9” twists and 1:7. I would appreciate any input on the my new project. I know there are many good barrels, these are just the ones I selected as a result of availability. BPT owner Mitch Mateiko must have used those old military tools for barrel installs, as he added that milled “flat” to a Krieger barrel he installed on my XM25 replica years ago. Here's a picture I just snapped for you of barrel coins from my Bartlein and Krieger . 22 RF and . Right now, while Krieger makes some great barrels, so does Bartlein, so does Broughton, so does Brux, and Pac-Nor, and so do a Aug 22, 2012 · Bartlein, Krieger, Obermeyer. I have one Muller, 7T 223, jeez, what a shooter, not a copper fouler either. The Krieger is about 1. But thats beside the point, i wanted to share this video. All the barrels will be 22" and between an 8 and 9 twist. Once you get to Bartlein, Hart, Hawk Hill, etc they're splitting RCH's in performance and it's not brand to brand, it's "install job to install job" and the biggest issue is when a guy cuts corners and gets a Aug 8, 2023 · The only exceptions are 9mm and 5. 308 Win. But it looks like a great barrel and I've never heard a bad thing about them. I haven't tried anything heavier, but no reason to doubt it would shoot those equally well. Apr 22, 2010 · I ordered a few barrels from CLE ( Compass Lake Engineering ) and had him put the uppers together for me. A lot of folks use the button rifled barrels and have extremely good luck with May 27, 2016 · Is there any real difference in on-target accuracy between say an off the shelf Criterion or Shilen pre-fit barrel for a Savage vs a Krieger or Barlein grade barrel, chambered by a reputable gunsmith? Assume both are the same in rifling, chamber, contour, length, etc. All three are reputable companies and all three produce hummers, but also the occassional dud. However, my Bartlein stay accurate longer and clean much easier, and I feel a lot more confident with the Barltein barrels. I currently am running Bartlein barrels and have no complaints about them. Moderator: Mod. I'm going to send this barrel off to have it converted by D Wilson to work with my LMT MRP, but I wanted to make sure it shot well first. Bartlein has the gain twist and left hand stuff cornered. May 5, 2017 · If you were to follow long range shooting, where replacement barrels are very common, like trigger jobs on 10/22s, you would encounter Bartlein, Krieger, Broughton, Shilen and several other high end, high quality barrel makers with great regularity. Oct 28, 2023 · I read it, thanks. Cut rifled barrels. That says a lot. I will need a second stainless 1:10 twist barrel medium weight. Mar 26, 2017 · Hi everyone, I'm debating going with a JC Custom barrel for a 223 build. Jan 5, 2012 · Forums. New posts Search forums. May 7, 2013 · On Grizzly's website, they list this barrel as being 'New': T10560 Bartlein Barrels . I bought another barrel straight from Green Mountain and it shot 1 1/4-1 1/2" in 6. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. Now for the most part these were just personal opinions , but repete usage says a lot. 22 & Norinco . Planned on doing this very thing just to try it out. Same goes with threading the muzzle. I have met some of the guys from Bartlein Barrels at my gun club. Unless you want a thicker barrel for some reason or you just want a cf cause it looks badass it doesn't seem worth it. Also, now Jun 6, 2019 · Bartlein barrels are top notch barrels. NBRSA Nationals were last week 13 new National records where set. a V-22 was a18" Ranch, their lightest contour. Backpacking/DIY Hunting Equipment. The accuracy is usually improved. By continuing to use this Forum you are confirming that you are 18 or older. I think the most finicky barrel I have is a Krieger. 95 Specifications 20" M110 contour 1-10 twist . Bartlein Barrels Sorry to hear that Frank I'm sure you will handle it Mike R Jun 4, 2021 · Brux barrels are dimensionally tighter than Bartlein 5R’s. LaRue Tactical takes pride in their ability to manufacture top of the line products and some of the best barrels made. New posts New profile posts. Steyr Pro Varmint . I Apr 16, 2023 · More 28" finish - Krieger heavy varmint - pm me if you are interested barrel than I need. 6” groups within reach if I Don’t know what chambering you’re doing, but I’d want . Preferred turnaround time Includes chamber, muzzle threads, and Dec 27, 2017 · I've used 5 Krieger barrels in the last 15 years. In 20+ Bartlein barrels, I’ve yet to have a dud. Glad to hear others have done this successfully. Frank is a very nice guy. Ballistic Advantage is a good option as well. Thanks guys Mar 7, 2025 · • Krieger 223AI chambered barrel, 16” 1:7 twist, M24 profile, spiral fluted. Both offer 5R, but it will cost you on the Krieger and equalize the prices between them. 308 chambered barrel, 26” 1:10 twist, 1. 219 bore. 7 moa or better. You will lose your warranty if you have someone else flute it. Krieger barrels, right now, the LaRue Tactical barrel hands down. I shot one of their 223/5. A #3 bartlein should have a little over 0. , etc. The best 5 shot group at 100 yards with the Krieger I was able to get so far was this one using Berger 77 OTM bullets: Best 5 shots at 100 yards with the Bartlein so far with Berger 77 OTM bullets: Jun 8, 2024 · Resurrecting this thread. 5x284. 5x more expensive than the Criterion (called Krieger and they quoted ~$575 including shipping vs LRB's Criterion of $379). I think that the 308 barrel is a Bartlein and the 6. Jan 21, 2020 · Krieger is first because they are the most prolific 4-groove with my vendors. Oct 15, 2013 · The barrel in my books is everything. Unfortunately, FedEx lost the one I had so I need a replacement in addition to the request I made in the list before. No plans for this barrel as yet so I am going to let it go. I test my barrels Sep 13, 2021 · I'm building a light switch barrel hunting gun and am to the point of deciding on barrel contours and corresponding barrel channel. Mar 27, 2018 · Im going to re-barrel a rifle in 264 win mag, and was wondering if there’s any preference for a Bartlein vs Brux barrel? Going with a 3B/#5 respectively and a 1/8 twist for 140gr bullets. Jul 19, 2024 · Search titles only By: Search Advanced search Jan 1, 2019 · Either would be great in my opinion and being me I’d probably go 8 since bullets aren’t getting shorter and I don’t believe extra RPMs hurt accuracy on good bullets. Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment. I know even the best can put out a bad barrel from time to time and my question is asking for opinions. Higher end barrels are now stress releived, by heating them up to about 470 degrees and allowed to cool. 5-300wm with a Bartlein barrel. Aug 6, 2023 · Basically the title. Feb 26, 2016 · FWIW, the M80 I'm shooting is all ZQI ammo which I've confirmed (at least in a bolt gun) shoots the advertised MOA at 100 meters. 24" barrel . I have Bartlein on my hunting rifles mainly because Krieger Oct 4, 2022 · Bartlein Barrels have an excellent reputation among bolt gun and AR shooters. I have a Bartlein on my 284 win that i have yet to shoot and a Brux on order for another custom in 30/375 S. Jan 27, 2005 · I have a Bartlein 223 barrel in 7. Absolutely this. 5 cm in a Mega MATEN LR-308 rifle. Krieger has been Mar 10, 2020 · In today's market I see availability of Krieger barrels in mostly 4 groove but providing some variation of land/groove tightness. SOLD May 8, 2014 · Just noticed this new product at Fulton Armory and figured I would share for those who might be interested. I personaly believe the person chambering and crowning the barrel will be more of a factor than brand name. May 28, 2022 · General Forums. Oct 7, 2014 · The steel that Bartlein uses is much harder than many other premium barrel makers, comparable to Krieger, so you get excellent barrel life, but you will get that anyway with . The biggest things you can do for barrel life are: * reduce rate of fire Dec 5, 2020 · Barrels like all things go up and down and change over the years. Dec 4, 2015 Jan 15, 2023 · Bartlein Run of M14 barrels in 10 twist. Contrary to that theory, I don't see carbon accumulate there. Production of M1 and M14 barrels would be a welcome addition. Krieger Barrels has been making premium rifle barrels for over 30 years. Thanks Aug 27, 2015 · I think my wet dream would be to have a Bartlein barrel "core" wrapped in carbon fiber by Christensen Arms. 17 (10 twist) and . Seems like it would be real easy on the barrel. price to high for budget. I can’t seem to find a . Jul 7, 2012 · Re: AR vs Bolt action barrels I have been holding onto an old 223 varmint barrel off of a 700SA that I cannibalized for the action a while back. Get or give advice on equipment, reloading and other technical issues. Between the Jun 6, 2019 · I know I have a Bartlein and a Kreiger for my Surgeon. Having trouble deciding between a proof stainless or bartlein in that contour. Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics In your case, you spent the money on a custom action. That’s how Krieger started. We are planning a group buy and would offer ANY caliber that Wilson could run. My 223 is getting 1/2-28 threads and well have a 5/8-24 Jul 29, 2008 · I've had exactly one Krieger that caused problems,a 6. I have read in a few places that carbon fiber barrels reduce barrel whip but it would be nice to hear it from the "horse's mouth" so to speak May 19, 2020 · I keep saying this with each barrel, but more so now then ever, I cannot wait to shoot this Bartlein at 100yds!! Since everyone always asks, this Bartlein is the same exact barrel specs as all the others tested. A 6. $400tyd #3 SOLD Rock creek barrels . Jump to Latest 61 - 80 of 91 Posts Only show this user. Then, on the Bartlein side, I 20 hours ago · It’s a bartlien and it shoots better than I can. Prev. 250x 5. “Why worry about a little barrel fouling when the throat is subjected to a brutal 5,600° F volcano at 55,000 PSI? Dec 5, 2017 · But those that understand the process realize you're 10 times as likely to screw up putting the a **** near perfect barrel on a morbidly out of spec action, screw up a bed job, or ream a poorly concentric chamber than you are to get a bad barrel from any of the top 5 to 10 barrel manufacturers. Oct 22, 2024 · This is not a Tactical Type Post but alot of guys always ask about Button Vs Cut rifled, Who is making the best barrels Etc. Previous topic Next topic. Feb 19, 2021 · Bartlein and Krieger are two of, if not the two top barrel brands currently. Inexpensive barrels are often now rifled. Posted: 11/9/2024 11:16:50 AM EDT Small frame builds with Shilen, Rock Creek, Bartlein barrels that shoot circles around a typical off the rack AR. Any others that I may have left out, and even this is not a 6mm barrel , but I know someone has had great experience with a . Your Brux barrels may be operating at a higher pressure than your Bartlein 5R’s. I am interested in a match grade barrel. Bartlein vs Krieger 7mm. The lapped-in barrels (Krieger and Douglas) MIGHT shoot good longer and clean easier. In . May Oct 18, 2009 · Krieger makes excellent barrels, as do several others, including but not limited to Bartlein, Schneider, Shilen, Hart, Broughton, Lawton, PacNor, Brux and Rock Creek. I use both brands Oct 17, 2013 · I have two 30/375 S. 7. 725” or more for 5/8” threads, which I’d want even for . 22 LR. What's new. 710" shoulder @ 20" finish length so IMO it would be bad choice to buy a bartlein carbon for that application unless you want to spend $300 more for a barrel with worse performance odds because you think it looks cool. Price: Starting at $624. $600 shipped, 100 rounds through it. Thanks. 237. Oct 11, 2020 · This is all speculation and hearsay. Is the 30 inch #9 a new Nov 24, 2013 · JMO,they suck. You won't get a better quality or more accurate barrel. The proof has 1. be honest the gun smith and reamer used is the most important. Walther barrels are harder so they might last longer but I'd place my bet on Krieger for accuracy. o. Flip a coin. 223 Rem 6. 25" barrels and very expensive scopes . 5 Creedmoor Air Rifle ammo Ammunition Applied Ballistics AR15 ballistics Benchrest Berger Bullets Brass Brownells Bryan Litz Camp Perry CMP Creedmoor Sports Discount F-Class F Jan 9, 2017 · After doing a lot of reading on the various forums, I have come to the conclusion that the LaRue is considered one of the most accurate of the cheaper barrels (especially while they are on sale) while the Bartlein or Krieger are considered two of the most accurate barrels available at any price. 223 WYLDE, 223 Long Range, . 237 barrels in 6mm. 8K views 8 replies 7 participants last post by JC in Calif Apr 8, 2009 3 days ago · Krieger Barrels. Feb 7, 2011 · I have had a couple of barrels in both Douglas and Bartlein. Turk Gunny Sergeant. Services and other customizations may be available. Feb 6, 2022 · Button barrels have to have at least one more stress relieving step than do cut barrels (Krieger does an additional cryogenic stress releiving step I understand). All of our barrels are manufactured using single-point cut-rifling and each and every barrel we make is thoroughly inspected and held to the same premium match grade standards, whether its an ammunition test barrel, a custom bolt action barrel or a ready-to-install finish chambered AR15. For single point cut rifled barrels Krieger, Bartlein, and Brux are my "go to 6 days ago · Understand your not bashing but with very little detail coming along with that statement it would lead me to believe that the other 9 positive reviews may be a more accurate take of these barrels. Thread starter jinxx4ever; Start date Mar 9, 2020; Prev. A good carbon fiber wrap is like Viagara for barrels. My experience with this barrel is in Texas shooting in 25-100 degree weather, fairly level, from the prone. Saturday, Sep 30th, '23 - Monday, Oct 2nd, '23 Saturday Sep 30th, '23 Oct 2nd, '23. What is everyone’s experiences with those two barrels Dec 3, 2014 · I bought a Green Mountain barrel for 50. 7RM, and a 223 all with left hand gain twist RKS barrels on, they are awesome. • Bartlein . Feb 1, 2021 · This Forum is for adults 18 years of age or over. Both are good shooters but the Krieger is better. Mostly John and Boots where shooting buddies but they never worked together per say. 224 May 19, 2013 · the LMT MARS-H gun ? My gun came with the 16” chrome barrel which I am going to use for suppresses shooting. 2 barrels save 12. 's; one with a Krieger 4 groove and one with a Bartlein 5r. Barrels, plus a good load, plus a good shooter, are what makes accuracy. Got to page 20 before nodding off. 224 centerfire blanks. May 8, 2024 · Heavy Criterion vs Krieger Barrel. Dec 26, 2023 · I am not familiar with Ace. Thank you. 750" GB. Or 4 vs 5r Krieger. These two have been the most consistent barrels as far as ammo selection and consistent and small group size. au on Friday and received it today in NSW that was one fast delivery and extremely happy with it. 223, . Pretty consistent performance on each. Aug 18, 2021 · A while back on another forum there was a barrel rankings chart,call them Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3. Mar 15, 2010 · Re: KREIGER Barrels VS HART Barrels They are both great quality barrels and there are many other barrel makers as well that produce great barrels like Shilen,Rock creek and the list goes on. If no one has what I want in Krieger then I will go Brux. The 5R barrels from krieger have been amazing so far. I’ve owned Krieger AR-15 barrels with 223 Remington and 5. Two names consistently rise to the top: Bartlein and Krieger. Cut is generally felt to give more consistent performance, truer rate of twist, last longer, etc. Manufacturers use these fixtures with test barrels for bullet and ammo testing. These barrels were both chambered by Keystone Accuracy using the same reamer, both were chopped at 24", both muzzles threaded 5/8-24. Mar 29, 2012 · Well, that and the fact you chose "Bob L Swagger" as your forum handle just made it impossible to resist. I use lots of soaking wet patches followed by two applications of Wipe-out foam (I apply once, then wait 15-20 minutes, then apply the foam again, plug the barrel and head home). Getting Started in Long Range . Krieger has been very good to me and I will continue to use them primarily for tactical or competition rifles. looking $300-400 max for a barrel. (I had to send it back to SAI after they installed a new Krieger, as it had some stuck cases and the marks on the brass showed the chamber needed more May 26, 2008 · #8- Bartlein 338 9tw SS 5R LEFT hand twist, MTU 31" $430 SOLD #9- Bartlein 30 cal 11tw SS 5R 3b 27" 6 straight flutes stopping at 21" $350 #10- Bartlein 338 10tw SS 5R 1. 5. All were set up for a Superlative adj gas block. Nov 23, 2009 · Re: Schneider vs Krieger barrels There will never be a clear cut answer to who's barrel is the best. 00 from someone on a different forum and the thing shoots 123 Amax's 3500fps into 3/8" at 100yds from a 6. 3 that stick out in particular with factory ammo is the shilen 223 wylde spun by Apr 17, 2020 · Alright winds were much calmer tonight then this morning so the 100yd Krieger test was a success. That thread Mar 19, 2017 · JP, I've got a 308 with one of their barrels and it does great for me. All my Bartlein's have been 5R's and I have shot many F-Class records with them. 4 days ago · I've had barrels from Bartlein, Bartlein, Bartlein, and Bartlein (Anyone see a trend) With that said my next chambered barrel will be a Bartlein, but the one after that will come from Hawk Hill Custom Rifles. This process contributes to consistent accuracy and reduces barrel fouling. I was hoping for some feedback on the ones listed above. To Sheldon N's point - For PRS, skill dwarfs the subtle differences in barrels 99. (That, of course, will happen when I hit the lottery. Winds pretty consistent 3-5mph. You won’t notice a difference between rifling types. 20 cal barrels once the batch  · Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Both win matches for accuracy. Later, Frank Bartlein Barrels May 18, 2013 · A few barrels from builds that didn't happen. 40 years ago, any rifle that would Jan 18, 2025 · Re: Hart, Kreiger or Bartlein? Originally Posted By: OnemoretimeOriginally Posted By: Frank GreenA button barrel can be a good barrel. That is almost as accurate as my other 6. 5BR Sergeant. uyw loxn cvorvf hgkrm bdbt dbupf ssjmp kbvumz nakzfgy qiciwn vhm qady uwqv klaia tleer